THE COURT: Excuse me just a moment, Ms. Foulston. They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. the furthest away from the driver's side door. Q: A big screen is a fairly large television? in Jason's room? A: One of them stayed in the room with Jason and Aaron and I, and one Q: On the way to that location it was just you and the individual who let me, so I withdrew another 150. A: They wanted to know who else was in the house, and we told them that she outside again in the same area by the wet bar? Q: Approximately how long a period of time did you spend at that ATM Is that right? it, was it kind of a punky look or do you have a better word to describe Q: I'm going to stop you here for a minute. Q: Did you see that vehicle at about 8:30 that evening at the residence? Q: What kind of car did you drive then there? Jason's head, and he asked, "Is this the only one?" I talked to him for a few minutes. A: I had on a green sweater, I don't know when I got it, but I had a The Carr brothers entered Befort's bedroom brandishing guns with Sander in tow. A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. Q: And this would have been in a bathroom off the hallway, is that right? Q: And that was in response to them asking who else was in the residence? Q: When you called and talked with 911, were you able to clearly recall Q: When you went to withdraw money, do you recall how much you requested the truck start. A: Earlier. basis? Q: Was your face covered in any manner at that time? renew our objection and object to this request. Q: And conversely, do you recall if Heather digitally penetrated your another hundred and fifty. See Absolute Madness: A True Story of a Serial Killer, Race, and a City Divided. Q: When you were called out of the closet, you noticed that Heather of voice? And they left. Q: Did you observe where the two intruders were at that time? Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? Q: And the three men were in the trunk of the Honda? long. Q: Had you seen her when you arrived back from the ATM? A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. There are ceiling lights over the wet taller, thinner, or the thinner one of the two intruders? A: Like clumpy, spiky, not all together, bits of hair clumped together. could take out, and it was like a fifty dollar charge. They talked for a few minutes. I hear a beeping noise Q: Did you then continue on through the field to a location where you In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. He had blood coming out of And they have a really long panel of glass that they were A: We sat there. A: They just said "Get undressed." if you were in Jason's bedroom, would you be able to observe light sources A: I waited until I couldn't hear it anymore, and I looked. The five friends watched TV and eventually retired to their various bedrooms. He just kind of like a surprised, that only took four of five seconds. to you, what body parts? A: Yeah. Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. Q: And during this time did you have any thought with regard to that what officers were in the house and if I talked to them. discussion by the two intruders directed towards the sexual activities? Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? A: I believe she stayed there once. A: Brad could not get an erection, but he penetrated me as much as possible They opened the door and asked who's next, and I stood up to and shutting off the lights? Decided: July 25, 2014 Debra J. Wilson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of Capital Appeals and Conflicts Office, argued the cause, and Reid T. Nelson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of the same office, was with her on the briefs for appellant. Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? Q: Well, in comparison to you, did she spend a lot of time there? that our motion goes to. A: Yes, there is a window that goes right out to the front steps. (Inspects photographs.) The name of your male friend, who was that? in his room except for his cell phone. Q: Was he able to penetrate your vaginal area with his penis? Q: And were you in that vehicle at the time the light was on? Please don't hurt us." recording device or an audio device of any type, I want it out of here. It was lighter, but I don't know which lights were THE COURT: Two, Three, Four, and Five are admitted. Q: And that would have been directly outside of Jason's bedroom, is Q: When Aaron left, were you then in the closet in Jason's bedroom? I was taken Heather sat closest you distinguish them as fat and skinny? Q: And how were you able to identify that it was Jason who was coming Q: What kind of vehicle did Jason drive that they would have taken? No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. Q: When it was finally determined that Jason's vehicle could be used, Find the keys.". is that right? He came over, and he opened the closet door, and he pointed the gun at A: There was nothing obstructing it, but he was sitting back, so I didn't THE COURT: Ms. Foulston, would this be an appropriate time to break Q: You indicated that you were visiting with friends at that location. Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, A: Yes. Q: Did you have any thought at that time as to what that item might Q: Was that what one of these individuals called you? one I was with said "It's me.". penetration was to do it deeper. Q: And the one individual that was in essence guarding you, would this Q: When you arrived at the residence, where did you put your vehicle? Q: And so this evening, on December 14, was no different from other Wichita Massacre: Part 2. by any, by any name by these people? cute and we probably would have hit it off. I didn't fall all the Q: After you heard Aaron talking, were you able to tell in what tone Q: And were you able to continue to observe this individual? Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers Q: And at this time when they are kneeling, where you able to hear any morning hours. Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. I mean, several LOVE AND JUSTICE The Carrs were. He had on an orange and black FUBU The practitioner's primary taxonomy code is 363A00000X with license number PA08301 (TX). Q: Can you describe what instructions that you or Brad were given with Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? there is the wet bar is kind of like in the short part of the L. The came into contact with the vehicle? have been located? I think this is the very practice A: They wanted to know how much money we had in them, and we answered look at him? Q: What happened or what caused you to do that? Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine off far away from either his car or our car. going to hand you some photographs and ask if you can identify these persons, Personal details about Holly include: political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat; ethnicity is unknown; and religious views are listed as unknown. Q: Did you have any idea what was happening at that time? Can you tell us Q: After the sexual activity had occurred with both you and Heather, of what was happening at that time? The Carrs were tried for 113 crimes, including capital murder, kidnapping, rape and robbery. that you were aware of? A: She also had on a, some sort of sweater or sweatshirt. Q: And there were still two individuals at that time in the general HG settled in front of the TV and began grading papers when Heather Muller, a friend of Aaron Sander's showed up. or socks or shoes, is that right? Q: Were there other people you were acquainted with who lived at the see if there were any cars coming. Q: Do you recall if he ejaculated internally into your vagina? I laid them down on one of the Christmas boxes. were? No. Q: Did you hear any opening of the door initially? When this conversation over. A: I thought it was Aaron coming in, so I just rolled over, and then Q: Ma'am, prior to the recess that we took you were giving testimony We were they just told us to do A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had out of the road and going south on Greenwich. and so he sat back down. her examination of H.G.). that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or Q: Were you aware of any vehicle that might have been used to transport MS. Foulston: Yes, Your Honor it would be. Q: Do you recall what Heather was wearing that evening? A: No. Q: Did anyone else arrive at the home after or before Jason Befort. A: I knew he had gone to bed. Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that A: They brought Brad up, and then the same individual went and got Heather. felt an impact with your body, do you know approximately where your body Q: And do you know the name of that kind of a weapon? A: Adjacent to the Prairie State Bank. Q: So the other person in terms of height, were you there side by side the closet, would you be closer to me or farther away than me if you were at that time? Q: 52-inch. Q: And what was the bank that you went to? the bathroom with Heather regarding his personal way he looked? was not in the immediate area. From the first gunshot went off by the time I was kneeling, I'd say They beat the men and raped the women. the keys or where the keys would be found? Q: And at the time that you left the residence or if when you left About HOLLY GLOVER. a little bit later I heard him ask Heather whose this was, and she said Six days later, HG, a 25-year-old elementary school teacher, arrived at the triplex where her boyfriend, Jason Befort (a science teacher) lived with two roommates: Brad Heyka, a chemist, and Aaron Sander, who was studying to become a priest. bar area and in the hall, down both hallways. Q: And you were still accompanied by the fatter of the two men? how was that accomplished? Q: And the size of this bedroom, would you consider it to be a large Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to any comment or commentary by these individuals regarding that? A: I don't remember. peeking out of to see who was ringing their doorbell at that time of the from the home, what exit you took? Q: And could you see or did you make eye contact with her? Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? MR. EVANS: Same announcement, judge. went out? Q: When you were called, summoned from that closet, did you at that A: I was directed to do it first, and Heather was directed to do it vaginal area? On the night of December 14, 2000 the two of them tortured and brutally murdered 4 people and injured another in the final act of their week long crime spree that included another murder, kidnapping, and robbery. Jason didn't have one Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? Q: And that would be the same bed that you and Jason would be on at Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, A: Had you ever used that machine before? car. And then I realized it wasn't going Q: How were you identified in telling you to come out of that closet? Q: When the truck started to move away, were you able to determine which Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? A: He had on a black leather jacket. Can you describe for us when Aaron came out of the room and The two black men are accused of a week-long crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. Q: And so when you describe you and Heather being placed in the trunk, A: Jason had an alarm clock that stayed lit. television? Q: When you fell to the ground, did you have any conscious recollection bar, is that right? Q: And would this what type of ring would this have been? Q: So the person inside the room with Heather was the, what you've described A: The other intruder and Heather were in the front seat of Aaron's it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? of 12727 east Birchwood? Q: Now in terms of being able to describe them as fat or skinny at that Q: The other individual, could you recall anything about his weapon A: After she had her teeth bared and was growling, they said, "Grab Q: Would it be more callously put than that? some sort of farming type thing, so assumed there probably wasn't going he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the please" A: I started grading some papers, and then I watched ER when it came Brad was also in that area as was Heather? Q: So when you were listening to this conversation, was there anything braided or A: They weren't braided. And then they opened the garage door. you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" Q: So you only know that a comment was that A: It was probably mine but I didn't know about it. it? B: Were you able to see what it was that was being shown to Jason at doors would you have on that closet? I am one of two surviving victims of the Carr brothers' December 2000 murderous crime spree in Wichita. I'm going to pop somebody's ass. Q: And did you then enter back through the front door? were the intruders? " All five terrified victims raised their hands, and one captor began taking the hostages out one by one to various ATM machines while the other kept watch on the remaining victims. where she might have been? Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. you had at that time? A: In the same general vicinity of the wet bar. that was directly said to you that led you to believe that was your ring? Q: And did the act of penetration into your vaginal area occur by means had taken you to the ATM? him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. Q: And do you recall what you did at the residence once you got there? Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death A t about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. Q: And that would have been directly in front of you then, is that right? A: Someone had kicked me, and I had fallen forward. courtroom today? A: He was fully clothed. Q: And we had some discussion about your Schnauzer dog named Nikki, Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going A: It was right after the gunshots, right after it didn't take very in time what happened? Q: Now, at the time that this was occurring, how many individuals were Supreme Court of Kansas. Q: Was there any conversation by him regarding these withdrawals at house and with the windows that border the back of the house. Q: And in that immediate area where you and Heather were placed, how to Brad. Holly Glover Schreiber (@hollyschreiber04) Instagram photos and videos hollyschreiber04 23 posts 260 followers 333 following Holly Glover Schreiber This Account is Private Already follow hollyschreiber04? while I was running on the dirt road, there was a car that was going passenger seat of Aaron's Honda, is that right? yourself and Heather Muller? A: I don't know if he said any words. Q: Good morning, ma'am. bit. A: It's directly outside of his bedroom window. Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet He went downstairs to talk Q: Was that were you able to tell from the demeanor, the way they Q: Approximately how long did this activity go on? Q: And was there any talk or discussion you could hear between the two Who slept down there? On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. Q: The individual who was taking you from the residence, did you have A: Jason was in between Brad and I, which would have been right in the your dog or we'll shoot her.". weapon? Q: And had you been able to see, visualize the wheels to that car, truck, Q: So as you're beginning to watch television and grading your papers, A: Well, Brad was downstairs, and he was usually the only one who remembered together. A: On the way over to the boxes I had a pair of earrings, and he asked And two guys came out. living room and kitchen. At about 11 p.m. on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men, who had two female guests. were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the be across the room? Loved ones of Wichita massacre victim look back on 20th anniversary Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:05 PM CST Updated: Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:33 PM CST It's been 20 years since the Carr. Q: Would that be Aaron Sanders, is that correct? A: No, I can remember hoping that it didn't go over my head, but I don't Q: At the time that you and Aaron and Brad are now in the closet and Wichita Massacre: Pretrial Testimony THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001 MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins her examination of H.G.) Q: So it had a bed and some dressers and stereo, things you talked about? Jason and your pup Nikki were there in the room, did anything unusual occur? you were lying on the ground pretending to have died? law enforcement officers came to the scene? Q: You said that this thinner one of the intruders did not have an afro The trunk was closed. A: I believe Jason and Aaron and I were still in the closet, and very Q: Do you know what relationship she was to any of the individuals who Jason said it was the only one, and then he turned around and Are you familiar with or do you have the name of that The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Q: At the time Brad was looking for the keys, do you know if any lights Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those Q: Do recall hearing any other gunshots before you yourself was shot? residence? Q: And the other, the gentlemen were in the room, Brad and Aaron and Q: Were you able at that point to observe any of the identifying features You know, when you open the door, it shuts off on its own later, not when And he said yeah. Q: And at that time your three friends, Jason, Aaron and Brad were removed Q: Were they communicating or any statements made to you with regard A: After the guys knelt in front of the car, we were directed out of Q: Now this would have been close to or in the Christmas holiday, is A: Not very. that as? the return trip? of you in that location. on between you and Heather? Q: And then Jason and then you? Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate sounded at that time? A: Probably around five minutes, five or ten minutes. A: They sent Aaron back in and Jason out. coming up on the bank. or that there was a noise. intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? A: I remember lying there. Q: When you returned back to the home, was there any conversation on Walenta died three days after the shooting. to turn everything off. Q: And did you were you still in the car with Heather at the time Jason, is that right? I didn't move. I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. shut the fuck up. You know, you can Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, I wanted them to think that everybody was still there A: One of them is. is that correct? A: Well, they told us not to talk at any time that we attempted to talk, When he was finished, he stood up and sounded those papers? Right after that Aaron was brought in by a different black male. in that hall by the wet bar? you can have whatever you want. leather. Q: And each individual then turned, reported approximately how much in a square shaped marks. Would this be the bathroom The skinnier of the two instructions that were given or was this just observation? Q: Do you recall how Aaron was dressed when he was thrown on the bed TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins Q: After the gun was pointed at Jason and the door was then closed again, When the two men, eventually identified as Reginald and Jonathan Carr, were arrested, Jonathan had the diamond ring intended for HG in his pocket. And I said "They're fake. road? sweater on. He said he had like three or four hundred, then Q: What was it about his size in relation to the other person that made Q: Why was it that you were unable to make any definite description She was on all fours. In this period, the Carrs killed five people and a dog . Q: When you when he was unable to have a full erection, was there She said "It's A: I was visiting friends and my boyfriend. Carr brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death. Q: And where was that located, just in street terms? home? safe was because "in a house this fucking nice there had to be a safe somewhere.". Q: And again, were your eyes still partially covered with a T-Shirt? to ask you if you can help me understand you better. bedrooms? A: No. what information you could regarding those people, is that correct? A: They were brought out of the trunk and kneeled in front of the car. night. Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? was him? Q: And he would have been behind you, is that correct? Q: And where did you normally keep your checkbook? This, as it turned out, was only the beginning. That said, we're in two minds about publishing the story and wanted to ask your thoughts. I told him my keys some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. Q: Once Jason arrived back at the residence, you said about 9:15, what Q: And the other one had left with Brad, is that right? were on the roads and the air? Q: Time wise you said initially you referred to the time as 2:07, the and I said "Yeah.". A: On my vagina. taken from the residence by the two intruders? Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. Q: So Heather would have been on the northernmost Q: location with Aaron next to her, is that right? Don't let him he didn't want me to see him. A: I mean, it wasn't like spiked punky. keys should be in the kitchen. A: They started asking if we had any money. You could hear him making a drink. You said you were sort of outside the room had on the return trip? that you were giving them the right information? Q: With regard to your activities directed towards Heather, do you recall goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors that time? Q: Were there any accusations or comments with regard to assuring them me to try, and he asked me "Is that all you have?" I had gotten out of the truck and was directed to sit on the able to observe whether or not they had any clothing on? A: From the sink to the door there's only about 3 feet. A: He didn't ejaculate internally. There was like a big jug of money, like one of those big milk jugs full A: I believe they were both outside, kind of you're kind of outside, find the fucking keys. like the back or you could hear him being struck. Q: Were you called that name on more than one occasion during that evening? were at that location at that time? people starting with Brad to those ATM machines? was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. gloves on or was he without gloves? that nature? THE COURT: I'm sorry. Let me turn back. And then I asked direction, is that right? Q: The jacket that he had on, were you able to describe the length of Q: Did that help you assess more that the person who you were seeing A: We slid out of the driveway because it was icy and snowy. Q: Do you know that at the time when when Jason was in the closet, would At that time and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat Q: Did you draw a conclusion about when those marks might have been Q: And would it be usual if you stayed over for you to get up early Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? A: It was on my left because I was on the end, and that's where it was with either of them standing so you were able to judge their height compared There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and State's Exhibit #4 and ask if you can identify the person depicted in that Q: How did you indicate to them that you had ATM cards? Q: Did you form any impression of who that might be at the time? out of the room, what did you do? Twelve years later their appeal was heard by the Kansas. white like stars. Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during Q: After Aaron had been struck, what happened then? I believe you said it was not an afro, is that right? Q: Was there any illumination in that home other than front porch? both of the intruders were in that area? Q: In your visiting at that home on Birchwood would you be at that location Q: Would that be the first time when they brought Brad back up? as to his height? make out any specific details. A: One was just bigger than the other one. Q: What direction would they have been facing? We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments section below. Q: So you had no undergarments on, is that correct? Q: Triplex. Q: And was there any commentary by those individuals during this time Q: At the time when Brad came out of the bedroom, were you aware it Should we stick to the previous style of articles or should we continue mixing in violent crimes in the future? then in Jason's truck with the fatter of the two, and Heather was in the Q: And those individuals would be in the doorway to the bedroom? or observe? 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